tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post5288888852508150195..comments2023-10-27T03:16:03.213-04:00Comments on Burgh Diaspora: Talent Economy CharlotteJim Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-80505275811472230622012-05-18T12:47:43.110-04:002012-05-18T12:47:43.110-04:00But then why did the highly developed Roman farmer...<i>But then why did the highly developed Roman farmers not continue the already developed technologies after the fall of Rome? Isn't it because they lost access to a place that was capable of demanding and maintaining old technologies and exporting new technologies?</i><br /><br />I think the reason is that geographic mobility declined. Inter-regional trade collapsed. Places became more isolated and autarkic. Migrants, not placemakers, make a place great. A beautifully designed city dense with people in North Korea will lag far behind a disaster of sprawl filled with people from elsewhere.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-57880807865944260112012-05-17T13:10:33.457-04:002012-05-17T13:10:33.457-04:00Granted... people do develop people. But then why...Granted... people do develop people. But then why did the highly developed Roman farmers not continue the already developed technologies after the fall of Rome? Isn't it because they lost access to a place that was capable of demanding and maintaining old technologies and exporting new technologies? It seems that if only people develop, that demand and ingenuity still would have been there. Maybe I'm getting caught up in semantics, but it seems to me that places allow people to develop and not the other way around. If people could develop places, then we would have many more highly developed cities and people than we actually do.Ryan Champlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903186024526258007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-42131966980906800392012-05-16T13:55:11.633-04:002012-05-16T13:55:11.633-04:00http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20120516/C...http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20120516/CITYPEOPLE/305160007/Pittsburgh-native-finds-Greenville-perfect-fit?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7C%7CsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-55860619577727407602012-05-15T16:30:05.739-04:002012-05-15T16:30:05.739-04:00I think people migrate because they are looking fo...<i>I think people migrate because they are looking for developed places that will, in turn, help themselves and their families develop. In other words, people cannot develop themselves without interacting with a developed place. If they could, then centuries-old cities wouldn't exist and our best economies would be in the places with the best weather (where everyone wants to be), but this isn't true. Can you convince me otherwise?</i><br /><br />I have no idea if I can convince you otherwise. But I'll try.<br /><br />Space + people = Place<br /><br />I don't see how a space, a bit of territory, or a cleverly designed landscape or building can develop people. People develop people.<br /><br />In your model, people migrate to meet with other people who "will, in turn, help themselves and their families develop." It doesn't matter where Yoda lives, only that you meet him.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-3647885836525870602012-05-15T16:09:37.637-04:002012-05-15T16:09:37.637-04:00I've been around this blog off and on and have...I've been around this blog off and on and have been trying to square your thesis - "Places don't develop; people do" - with what I know. I think I've come to the conclusion that both people and places develop, but people can only develop so far without highly developed places. We see this all throughout history. For example, when the Roman Empire fell, the most highly developed people in the world eventually lost pretty much all of their knowledge because they lived in undeveloped places (there were no cities). If it were people, and not places, that develop, then the people's skills would have translated into developed places instead of what actually happened.<br /><br />I think people migrate because they are looking for developed places that will, in turn, help themselves and their families develop. In other words, people cannot develop themselves without interacting with a developed place. If they could, then centuries-old cities wouldn't exist and our best economies would be in the places with the best weather (where everyone wants to be), but this isn't true. Can you convince me otherwise?Ryan Champlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903186024526258007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-70188036443625923632012-05-15T14:02:50.765-04:002012-05-15T14:02:50.765-04:00I think water scarcity will be a Sun Belt push fac...I think water scarcity will be a Sun Belt push factor for all types of migrants.<br /><br />My first stint in Boulder, CO was during the recession of the early 1990s. There was a lot of guilt about living in a beautiful but semi-arid part of the world. My roommates moved to Portland, ME out of sheer respect for water as a resource. The sustainability narrative can drive a lot of migration. DIY Detroit, urban gardening, etc ... all fit well within this migration tale. Recycled cities are hot commodities.<br /><br />More economically, abundant water will attract more industry. Jobs will flow from Sun Belt to Water Belt. People will follow.<br /><br />I'm very pessimistic about the prospects for Sun Belt boomtowns. The best places for growth in the South are found in that region's Rust Belt. (e.g. Chattanooga)Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-68540619074054724882012-05-15T14:01:33.194-04:002012-05-15T14:01:33.194-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-42725556897433605662012-05-15T13:46:47.691-04:002012-05-15T13:46:47.691-04:00Quote:
"If the trend of Rust Belt talent mov...Quote:<br /><br /><i>"If the trend of Rust Belt talent moving back home accelerates, where does that leave Charlotte's nascent recovery?"</i> <br /><br />A little bit unrelated to your post, but I wanted to get your thoughts on this: do you think global climate change and/or water availability in the Sun Belt will play a role in accelerating Rust Belt return migration?pete-rockhttp://cornersideyard.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com