tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post7434255431055212351..comments2023-10-27T03:16:03.213-04:00Comments on Burgh Diaspora: End Of MigrationJim Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-17864148494754597472011-01-10T13:52:51.129-05:002011-01-10T13:52:51.129-05:00Yes, Jim. Ohio produces world class talent...for S...<i>Yes, Jim. Ohio produces world class talent...for San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Charlotte, Raleigh and DC.</i><br /><br />Exactly my point. If the talent market is getting tighter (debatable), then how might the economic geography change? <br /><br />Sure, we can assume that the dominant migration patterns of the last 40 years will hold. But I'm assuming we are going through a major macroeconomic restructuring. That a new migration pattern would emerge isn't exactly a radical idea.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-64824282558077026702011-01-10T13:44:07.008-05:002011-01-10T13:44:07.008-05:00Yes, Jim. Ohio produces world class talent...for ...Yes, Jim. Ohio produces world class talent...for San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Charlotte, Raleigh and DC.rootvghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03524524048523221143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-28165903159691078802011-01-07T20:15:33.135-05:002011-01-07T20:15:33.135-05:00http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ontheblock/det...http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ontheblock/detail?entry_id=80544&tsp=1rootvghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03524524048523221143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-21140429093102248852011-01-07T16:27:45.967-05:002011-01-07T16:27:45.967-05:00The Garvey quote describes the direction manufactu...The Garvey quote describes the direction manufacturing is going in Dayton, away from the mass-employment places like the old Delphi/GM nexus towards the smaller tool & die/machine shop things. More diversified and customized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-60817557112787056862011-01-07T15:40:50.817-05:002011-01-07T15:40:50.817-05:00Patrick M,
As you remark, both Rust Belt and Sun...Patrick M, <br /><br />As you remark, both Rust Belt and Sun Belt states contain multiple economic geographies. That's one of the points I am endeavoring to make. I'm well aware of the variance within state.<br /><br />You underestimate the importance of talent migrating to North Carolina. However, the controversy is whether or not the college graduates will keep coming. That's not an issue for Rust Belt cities such as Pittsburgh. I doubt we can say the same about Rust Belt cities in Sun Belt states. But if there are a few exceptions, then I'd be interested in learning about them.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-67828073543013425272011-01-07T14:55:09.812-05:002011-01-07T14:55:09.812-05:00Josh,
Ohio isn't suffering from brain drain. ...Josh,<br /><br />Ohio isn't suffering from brain drain. Established perceptions die hard. But the endless talk hurts the state's brand. <br /><br />The main point is that Ohio produces world class talent. The quality of the workforce is excellent. Just ask Honda. Ohio is a perennial favorite of Site Selection magazine.<br /><br />Since no one outside of the Rust Belt is going to move to Ohio, how did the state cultivate such an attractive workforce? Why is Akron shooting up in terms of educational attainment rates?<br /><br />You put a software company in real estate cheap Youngstown and you'll have no problem finding tech employees. You can draw from Columbus, Cleveland/Akron, and Pittsburgh. Not to mention the ample supply of brains already in the Mahoning Valley (or those looking to move back home).<br /><br />News today that Google is doubling its footprint in Pittsburgh, another Rust Belt city experiencing big gains in the numbers of college educated residing there. Google is well aware of the positive migration to Pittsburgh of those with a degree. But that's not the big story. As a region, Pittsburgh produces a lot of the talent that the rest of the world (e.g. Google) wants.<br /><br />It is a lot easier to move the company to where the talent is produced than to compete with other regions or like firms to attract talent. So, places such as NE Iowa get on the map because of the proximity to deep (and cheap) pools of talent.<br /><br />Talent is the new oil.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-61751676791775842582011-01-07T14:53:17.226-05:002011-01-07T14:53:17.226-05:00I'm sorry but you clearly don't understand...I'm sorry but you clearly don't understand North Carolina very well.<br /><br />First, just as James Carville once famously described PA as "Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, with Alabama in the middle," there are three North Carolinas.<br /><br />There is the increasingly suburbanizing (and in some cases, urbanizing) Triangle and Charlotte metro areas, which are fast-growing for a lot of reasons. Growth has slowed (but not stopped) with the recession, and more so in Charlotte than the Triangle.<br /><br />Second, there is the Tier 2 metro area of the Triad, and the smaller metropolitan areas of Wilmington, Asheville, and Fayetteville. Manufacturing losses hurt more here because there are not many other industries to absorb workers.<br /><br />Third, there are the rural hinterlands, which especially east of I-95 and not quite to the coast, experience grinding poverty and low social indicators across numerous variables. These places are in trouble. But so is the Alabama part of PA, and most of rural America.<br /><br />Your comparison of Rust Belt cities to Sun Belt STATES picks and chooses attributes among the three North Carolinas to make comparisons. The loss of manufacturing is a problem in the rural areas and the Triad (where Ed Cone runs his very good blog).<br /><br />Primarily, you could not be more wrong about NC importing college grads instead of producing them. The Research Triangle's two largest universities are UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State, which with extremely attractive in-state tuition to NC residents, pull NC's best and brightest to the Triangle. <br /><br />UNC-Charlotte, UNC-Asheville, and UNC-Wilmington are also solid schools at a modest price.<br /><br />I am a Northeast transplant to NC (from Mass via Wake Forest U) but in the classrooms at the undergrad level, it's 75% or more in-staters. If people like me stop coming, NC will be more than able to still fill the high-tech jobs in RTP, Downtown Durham and Downtown Raleigh with local grads.<br /><br />But keep in mind that the relationships between schools and industry here are quite good. Once a student has interned at IBM, Glaxo, Motricity, or Bronto Software, they get connected to the employment networks here and are likely to stick around. The same goes for out-of-state students who attend Stanford in Silicon Valley.<br /><br />Let's go back to the maps Ed Cone flagged. Yes, NC looks like a rust belt state on this map. But the urban crescent is light blue, which means it also looks like the Bay Area, or Seattle, or Connecticut's NYC commuter shed. Most metro areas would accept those comparisons happily.<br /><br />Of course NC needs to do much to remain competitive. But your thesis about the end of migration is soft. Population grew here even through the recession, and even if migration stops, the institutions to provide the 21st century workforce are in place here and humming nicely, at least in the urban areas.Patrick Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-65242720497752923932011-01-07T14:11:00.749-05:002011-01-07T14:11:00.749-05:00This is a very very interesting, and coming form C...This is a very very interesting, and coming form Columbus, Ohio I hear endless talk of the "Brain Drain" that the state is suffering from. <br /><br />Why though do you see this pattern ending? And if this cycle is over does that mean good ramifications for midwestern "Rust Belt" cities?Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01442527998570624795noreply@blogger.com