tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post4764991147156370106..comments2023-10-27T03:16:03.213-04:00Comments on Burgh Diaspora: Brain Dead Cleveland PlusJim Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-4375203727395644832009-02-25T14:43:00.000-05:002009-02-25T14:43:00.000-05:00Good day, all:I think you may be giving Plus Colle...Good day, all:<BR/>I think you may be giving Plus College a little too much credit. Northeast Ohio (NEO) already retains a high number of graduates compared to the state’s average. Of course, retention rates vary widely by type of institution and type of degree. For example, for associate degrees, the Ohio Board of Regents March 2008 report shows that NEO community and technical colleges retain graduates between 85-91% and university regional campuses from 80-93% (state average is 88% for both). For bachelor’s degrees, university main campuses in NEO range from 79-83% (state average is 76%). For bachelor’s degrees at private colleges, there is a bigger range in this report: from 37% for Oberlin to 53% for Case to 83% for Ursuline. Most are in the 70%-80% range (state average is 72%).<BR/><BR/>The Plus College effort simply wants to engage more of the region's 180,000 students in our region so that they have a better understanding of what we have to offer. Some will be too busy, some already know and some won't care, but we think (and our experience shows) given the opportunity many will take advantage of it. It's not intended as a silver bullet for retention.<BR/><BR/>You'll note the site not only offers "incentives" to influence students to visit our many attractions and events; it also connects them with internship opportunities provided through the Northeast Ohio Council on Higher Education. As you know, internships can lead to jobs, which is the ultimate form of retention.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the opportunity to chime in. <BR/>Rick Batyko<BR/>Cleveland PlusRickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079891950068882934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-1399454806326535282009-02-25T07:26:00.000-05:002009-02-25T07:26:00.000-05:00Hmm. My experience has been that the non-natives w...Hmm. My experience has been that the non-natives who like it best in Cleveland are those from (for lack of a better phrase - sorry, it's early) *less interesting* parts of Ohio or its bordering states.<BR/><BR/>When people ask me why young people should stay in Cleveland, I say that they shouldn't. They should move away and experience other places. I think everyone should, whether you grew up in the Rust Belt or New York. But then, that's talking about natives, and I don't think that's who the Cle+ campaign is aimed at.Christine Bornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17356486403114381189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-42619469413119595542009-02-24T17:32:00.000-05:002009-02-24T17:32:00.000-05:00Pittsburgh is starting to retain a lot more of it'...<I>Pittsburgh is starting to retain a lot more of it's graduates and a lot more of them are stating a desire to stay in town.</I><BR/><BR/>How about some numbers? How much is "a lot more"?<BR/><BR/>I'm skeptical of your claim for a number of reasons, but I don't have any data handy that says otherwise.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-86124234995023181432009-02-24T04:50:00.000-05:002009-02-24T04:50:00.000-05:00I just don't think your right here. Pittsburgh is ...I just don't think your right here. Pittsburgh is starting to retain a lot more of it's graduates and a lot more of them are stating a desire to stay in town. Partly, this is because of a relatively stronger job market but some kind of attitude change is likely a big factor. I think Google said it opened it's office here because too many of it's best prospects didn't want to leave the area. What role "booster" outreach and stuff like POP City played in making this change is not clear.John Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11099009144603936211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-14921154839261328792009-02-23T16:19:00.000-05:002009-02-23T16:19:00.000-05:00Trying to retain out-of-town college graduates is ...Trying to retain out-of-town college graduates is old hat. NEO joins many other regions doing the same thing. Philly is a good example. The thinking goes like this:<BR/><BR/>If the students knew how great the area really is, then they wouldn't leave.<BR/><BR/>The solution is just a rehash of the ridiculous Border Guard Bob campaign. Amazingly, past failed policies get recycled using new mediums. But the repackaging of stale ideas isn't working.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-4101495245146805352009-02-23T15:37:00.000-05:002009-02-23T15:37:00.000-05:00I'm not always clear in expressing myself. I would...I'm not always clear in expressing myself. I would define people who came from outside the area to attend school as new migrants-- potential new residents from outside the area. <BR/><BR/>These people represent the largest potential pool of new residents for many cities. In the case of Cleveland, colleges and hospitals likely attract the bulk of new migrants.<BR/><BR/>An attempt to educate local high school students about local assets would likely be a waste and tell them things they likely know. However, a Pre Med major at Case Western or a tech student at CMU is likely far too busy and pressured to fully know the place they are living in well. <BR/><BR/>We both would likely agree that to a large extent it's a moot discussion since current immigration laws will likely kick a lot of the foreign kids out of the country with their elite skills in hand. A lot of these kids like Pittsburgh but they would be breaking the law if they stayed.John Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11099009144603936211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-9823079708842343572009-02-23T14:33:00.000-05:002009-02-23T14:33:00.000-05:00Your network migration theory is fine for attracti...Your network migration theory is fine for attracting more prospective students to regional colleges and universities, but it doesn't address the perceived brain drain problem.<BR/><BR/>Whether or not NEO higher-education is attracting outsiders isn't the issue. The goal is to retain them once they graduate, regardless of prior residency.Jim Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078184665418828961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29127973.post-45573589143162555842009-02-23T14:11:00.000-05:002009-02-23T14:11:00.000-05:00I not sure your making much sense here. As far as ...I not sure your making much sense here. As far as I know, a lot of Cleveland's best schools like Case Western and The Cleveland Institute of Art Attract a lot of kids from outside the Cleveland area so making sure these kids know more about the city and it's oppotunities would in fact help it attract people from outside the area. <BR/><BR/>We know that Case Western is a leading medical school and The cleveland Art Institute is a leader in areas like Industrial design.<BR/><BR/>Only if those schools were only attracting local kids, would your comment make sense.John Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11099009144603936211noreply@blogger.com